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May 25, 2005

It's Turtles All the Way Down

Reason has an article on the evolution v. intelligent design debate in Kansas. (hat tip: Glenn Reynolds) I'll skip the quotes from the article (isn't that what the links are for?) and get straight to the heart of the problem: if you have to redefine the term "science" in order to make your belief "scientific", your belief is not scientific.

The intelligent design proponents argue that evolution is unproven - "just a theory". Let's just face it: intelligent design is not a theory; it's a critique. Intelligent design is not falsifiable (and thus not scientific, unless you redefine "science"), is based on its proponents' a priori beliefs rather than any form of methodological or emperical research, and amounts to an attempt to dress up particular religious beliefs sufficiently to get past the ban on teaching specific religious beliefs in government schools as if they were factual (as opposed to comparative surveys of religions, analysis of religious texts as literature, and other allowed means for explaining religious beliefs).

I don't have a problem with intelligent design, per se, though I cannot accept their arguments or evidence from what I've so far seen. But I do have a problem with teaching this as science. That's like teaching science as a religion - Scientism. (Hmm, maybe the secular humanists have brought some of this down on their own heads. How many of the supposedly scientific studies whose results you believe could you reproduce, or even explain?)

Besides, everyone knows it's turtles all the way down.

Posted by jeff at May 25, 2005 3:28 PM

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Secular humanists are resonsible for creationism? Alright, I bite. How?

Posted by: Heraldblog at May 25, 2005 8:01 PM

That was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. The serious part of the comment to which I was alluding is that the secular humanists have been so successful at separating ethics from religion that the pull of religion has been weakened greatly. This has resulted in a search for a replacement, which for many has become the idea of science as an infallible guiding hand. It can be argued, though mostly facetiously, that this would itself be a religion with "science" as god.

In other words, it was supposed to be kind of a joke.

Posted by: Jeff Medcalf [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 25, 2005 8:11 PM

I've seen secular humanism referred to as a religion more times than I can remember.

Posted by: Norma at June 1, 2005 5:30 PM

Here is something to cheer you up...

Intelligent Design, Religion and Evolution (links)

Here is a good overview of the state of Intelligent Design today:

"Master Planned: Why Intelligent design isn't." by H. Allen Orr

http://www.newyorker.com/printables/fact/050530fa_fact

from

The New Yorker

http://www.newyorker.com

And here are some more links:

"Intelligent Design (Divine Design)"

http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/intelligent.html

from

Answers In Science

http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/index.html

The "New" Creationism

http://slate.msn.com/id/104349/

from

Slate Magazine

http://slate.msn.com

Irreducible Complexity and Mixhael Behe on Intelligent Design

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe.html

from

Talk Origins

http://www.talkorigins.org

Antievolution: Features

http://www.antievolution.org/features/

from

Antievolution.org: The Critic's Resource

http://www.antievolution.org

Oftentimes, creationists will conflate evolution with atheism. However, a great many scientists are religious -- they simply do not permit their religious beliefs to interfere with the pursuit of empirical knowledge.

Please see for one example:

"Science and Religion" interview with Kenneth R. Miller

http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/miller.html

Likewise, a great many religious leaders are well-aware of the fact that there is no conflict between religion and evolution. Please see:

Welcome to the "Clergy Letter Project"

http://www.uwosh.edu/colleges/cols/clergy_project.htm

--

Likewise, many creationists like to deny that there is much if any evidence for evolution, so here are a eight links to some pretty dramatic stuff and links to their associated home pages where you can find out more...

(I am also including links to the homepages, as the websites are well worth exploring and provide additional ammunition for defenders of evolution.)

Whale Evolution/Cetacean Evolution (Atavistic Hind Limbs on Modern Whales)

http://edwardtbabinski.us/whales/

from

Edward T Babinski

http://edwardtbabinski.us/

Smooth Change in the Fossil Record

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/fossil_series.html

from

Don Lindsay Archive

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/

Transitional Fossil Species

http://www.origins.tv/darwin/transitionals.htm

from

Darwinians and Evolution

http://www.origins.tv/darwin/indexpage.htm

Observed Instances of Speciation

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

from

The Talk.Origins Archive

http://www.talkorigins.org/

Some More Observed Speciation Events

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciation.html

(Homepage given above)

Ring Species: Unusual Demonstrations of Speciation

http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/irwin.html

from

Action Bioscience.Org

http://www.actionbioscience.org/

The Evolution Evidence Page (homepage for website)

http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoEvidence.html

The Fossil Record: Evolution or "Scientific Creation"

http://www.gcssepm.org/special/cuffey_05.htm

from

GCSSEPM Special Interests

http://www.gcssepm.org/special/

Posted by: Tim Chase at June 10, 2005 5:07 PM

Tim, that's a great list of resources. Obviously I haven't had a chance to read them all yet, but that was an incredibly useful comment.

Posted by: Jeff Medcalf [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 10, 2005 5:48 PM

Jeff, I am glad you liked the list of links. There is a great deal more out there. Still expanding my own list some. Thinking about getting a blog and a website and devoting both to evolution (well, almost entirely). We shall see. But it helps in various on-line debates to have links to the evidence, and of course, the fundy/creationists are ALWAYS trying to conflate evolution with materialism with secularism with atheism with relativism, etc.., so it helps to show that there are scientists and clergy who do not necessarily agree on at least the point of evolution implying atheism -- even if there are a few evolutionists who behave as if it does. In my own opinion, Intelligent Design = Empirical "Faith" => Faith-Based "Science," but I will have more on that later.

Posted by: Tim Chase at June 10, 2005 10:28 PM