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August 28, 2005
For. Crying. Out. Loud.
Hello, my name is Stephanie and I'm attempting to give my kids a classical education.
The images that come into people's heads with the term "classical education" are apparently pretty bizarre.
And if I say that we do a Latin-based classical education, well, those images are apparently even more bizarre. (Funny eh? Because "classical education" today does not necessarily mean that there's any Latin involved, ever. So you have to add the qualifier.)
It's like people think I chain my kids up in the dining room and make them chant declensions all day long. They worry about how my kids are going to be able to cope in the wide world. They worry that their education will be one-sided. They worry about exposure to art, music, history, literature.
And I look at them like they have six eyes and four heads.
Ahem. Look, folks. I teach the kids Latin. Latin and math are our two most important subjects. Latin and math take up about an hour and a half of our day, leaving the rest of the day to, I don't know ... read, write, study history, learn about geography, do science experiments, go to museums, listen to music, practice music lessons, read, play, learn to spell ...
What are we missing here, exactly?
It's funny how one little subject can get people so riled up. If I said that I made Spanish a focus of our homeschool, I think the reactions would be greatly different.
I also seem to see a trend amongst the folks who are concerned about my kids' one-sided education, in that they seem to think that my kids are going to be lacking in a subject if I don't teach it formally and explicitly. Maybe I won't teach modern world history this year as a formal subject. Will my kids be one-sided and lacking? Did you know that my 9 year old has already read Story of the World 4 on his own, for fun? Modern children's literature? Well, they read every day, and we read to them ... so ... ?
And on and on, of course, because kids learn so much more than we teach them. One of the greatest mistakes we can make is to assume that only learning done in a class or a structured program "counts." But that's another rant for another day.
Posted by lynx at August 28, 2005 2:25 PM
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Maybe you need an "I teach my kids Latin, and I'm not apologizing" T-shirt, too? ;)
Posted by: Mungo at August 28, 2005 6:32 PM
You see this is why I don't ever bring up the fact that science is our main subject. People really think you are nuts when you spend 45 minutes a day on Science. That's not counting all the disussion during the day of course since we learn science in just about everything.
We do Science and Math always. Next comes grammar and Latin. Though Latin is really part of science (Thanks to Linnaeus and my botany professor)and supplements our grammar.
As a true heretic, I have to admit that History is last on my list. It getrs discussed in science, latin, and reading though. But that might not count since it's not "official" history.
Posted by: SheilaZ at August 28, 2005 8:03 PM
Here, here! I knew we'd get bizzaro looks when I said we're doing Latin (instead of Spanish - which is pro forma here). But already, I'm seeing M decifer Spanish words from the teensy bit of Latin she's been exposed to. Latin has further been reinforced by our grammar studies.
I agree math is up there for us too. M just passed 1.7 years ahead of grade level using Saxon. I'm very pleased. I do wish she would take an interest in reading SOTW4 for fun - congrats on raising an exploratory learner!
Posted by: Concierge at August 28, 2005 8:14 PM
Sounds like a good t-shirt, but it should be in Latin to begin with.
Posted by: Mark L at August 28, 2005 10:02 PM
Hey! I want one of those shirts too!
And did you know that ladybugs eat aphids? My 6 yr old told me....*I* didn't teach him that! How's THAT for science???
Posted by: Pensguys at August 28, 2005 10:46 PM
Oh, man, I might even be able to figure out how to say that in Latin.
Sheila, I don't think you're crazy at all. I think that your kids will get a fine education that way. There are so many ways to help our kids get an excellent education that this kind of wrangling over definitions and what subject "should" be the focus is silly.
One of the problems I'm having with these folks on the WTM boards is that they express *concern* over my method of education. Why, for Heaven's sakes, are they concerned about the way I teach my kids? If they don't like it, well, they don't have to do it. Voila! We're all happy.
Posted by: Stephanie at August 28, 2005 11:40 PM
*curses* My connection bailed on me just as I hit "post".
I follow what you're doing, not because you're lopsided and I worry about your children, but because 1) I'm lazy and I want to see how you do it, 2) you're farther ahead of us, and I want to see how you do it, 3) you're one of my heroes in the Classical/Latin education world and I like to see how you do it, and 4) I still haven't been able to get my hands on a copy of Climbing Parnassus... so I, you know, come see how you do it.
Personally, I'd love to know what the Latin for "weirdo" is. I like Mungo's t-shirt idea!
Dy
Posted by: Dy at August 29, 2005 2:47 AM
Actually, I was thinking the T-shirt should be in Greek, just to be perverse. ;)
Posted by: Mungo at August 29, 2005 8:17 AM
I have one thing for the idiots who are more concerned about your children than their own.
Bite me.
You could even say it in latin; I think it's go over just as well either way.
;/
Posted by: susie at August 29, 2005 8:27 AM
I just say "like Marva Collins" and leave it at that.
Posted by: Lioness at August 29, 2005 11:20 AM
The phrase in Latin would be something like "ego docui Latin ut meus liberi quod ego non rumex", yes? Of course, I'm not sure of either docui or rumex, because I got those from an English to Latin translator, and I probably just said the Latin equivalent of "I write my kids Latin and amn't sorry", but I don't know Latin (as is probably obvious).
On the back, you should put one of my favorite Mark Twain quotes: "I never let schooling interfere with my education."
Posted by: Jeff Medcalf
at August 29, 2005 8:01 PM
Jeff, you just said something like "I taught Latin to my children because I don't sorrel."
Rumex means sorrel, not sorry. What an interesting translator you used ;-)
I can't figure out a word for sorry. How about:
"Latinam liberis doceo et ego non culpa sum."
Does anyone know if that works or not?
But I like Mungo's idea. It should be in Greek!
Posted by: Stephanie at August 29, 2005 11:29 PM
Ok can I just say, don't bother with the freeks, er um, oddly interested others in YOUR children's educations. Come on? Are they really worried that if you focus on Latin and classical learnings that your children will miss out on exposure to art, music, history, literature??? HUH???? The Latin and Greek (don't want to forget them ;-) worlds and the study of them would somehow keep my children from exposure to those very things that have laid the foundation for all that followed across Europe and to US?
Forgive my mediocre PS education, but how did I miss this *fact?*
You just keep on rocking and teaching in just the way you know best!
Posted by: Diane at August 31, 2005 11:33 PM